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The water element makes the body sink. When you lie down,
the water element is the leader, because a stream of water
always flows downward. When you stand up, the fire element
is in charge. Fire makes the body go up since fire always
burns upwards, never downwards. When you walk [or
otherwise move] the air element is in charge. [And when
you sit, the earth element dominates.] They take turns
being in charge. That's one meaning of change in the
elements or in rupa. Rupa and nama, the mind that orders
the body to move, have to work together. When nama and
rupa make contact in the present moment, that is the
correct object of mindfulness.
If you are just observing the body, that's not the
correct object of mindfulness. That's an object of
concentration. If you only have nama, that's not a
correct object of mindfulness, either. You have to observe
rupa and nama as they come together in the present moment,
right now. That's the correct object of mindfulness. A
student asked about this yesterday in the car. But
it's very hard to observe correctly, to observe the
present moment exactly. For instance, right now: we are
sitting here now. But while sitting here you might be
thinking, "I am sitting here now." Okay; you are
staying in the present time. But that is not the same as
being in the present moment exactly. It is very hard to
see it correctly, to bring nama and rupa together. It is
very hard to see the exact moment of rupa and nama. [In
vipassana, "being in the present moment" has a
specific meaning, i.e.: to be clearly aware of one nama
and one object as they come into contact. If one sees this
clearly, there will be no sense of "I,"
"myself," or "my body."] A person
might practice all day long and only see it one time. That
is very special. But someone else will not see it until
after two or three days of practicing. For others it might
take a week, two weeks, three weeks, a month, two months,
seven months. Others might practice [continuously] for
seven years until they see the present moment exactly,
correctly, even once.
If you see the present moment of rupa and nama even once,
that makes your life special. That is better than living a
hundred years. [A person who sees this is called
"jhula-sota," meaning a "junior"
sotapanna. ("Sotapanna" refers to someone who
has reached the first level of enlightenment.) A
jhula-sota cannot be reborn in the lower realms for three
subsequent lifetimes. His or her mind is ripe to reach the
first level of enlightenment.] In the Dhammapada it says
that someone who lives for a hundred years has not gained
anything special. But the person who practices insight
meditation and can clearly see, for one moment, the truth
of rupa and nama arising and passing away, even if he dies
then and there, is far better off than the person who
lives a hundred years and doesn't see it. Because
those who can see rupa and nama have made their minds
clear and clean. They have eliminated doubt. That's
important.
For example: the Empire State Building in New York. Some
people read about it but never actually see it. Even when
they know everything about it from reading, they still
have doubts about what it's like. Then there are those
who are not interested in the story of the building. But
when they go to New York they see the building, go up to
the 98th floor and take in the view of the city. They no
longer have any doubt about what that building is like.
They don't need to read about it, because they have
seen it firsthand.
It's the same thing; when you see rupa and nama one
time, even if you die, it's better than not seeing it
and living for a hundred years. Just living for a hundred
years [without knowledge of ultimate truth] isn't
special at all because, what is happening during that
time? You wake up in the morning, eat, go to work, come
home, shop, take a shower, eat again, and go to bed. Then
you wake up and it starts all over again. Every day you
repeat the same thing. There's nothing new, right? You
never know about rupa and nama.
But you have come here for five days. From the moment you
wake up you have mindfulness all the time, except when
you're sleeping. Sometimes mindfulness is lost a
little bit but then you continue again right away. Five
days here is better than staying at home. You can keep the
benefit of this retreat in your mind the rest of your
life. You will feel happy with the experience, happy with
having come to this retreat. Here, since you have
mindfulness all day long, you're adding pure water to
the cup all the time; you have already benefited from what
you have done. That's why staying here is very special
for your life.
In daily life there is delusion and ignorance in the mind
all the time, twenty-four hours. But here, except when you
are sleeping for five or six hours, and the few times that
you "lose the moment," you are mindful all day
long. So you only have delusion for about eight hours, and
mindfulness for fourteen or sixteen hours. How special
that is, how different from ordinary life, from what
you'd be doing if you had not come here. Do you see
the difference between staying here and developing
mindfulness, and staying at home? Are they different or
not? Do you see the difference? Peg?
Peg: Well, it depends on what one does at home.
Bhikkhu Sopako: Okay. What do you do at home?
Peg: Well, if you're on retreat at home, of course you
can maintain your mindfulness there, but in day-to-day
life, as you were saying. . .
Bhikkhu Sopako: Okay, I agree with that. If you practice
insight meditation at home, it's no different from
being here. But how long do you have time to practice
mindfulness at home? That's the difference. At home
you might not have a long period of time like this. Just
one or two hours. But here you have almost the whole day
until bedtime. We have someone to cook for you and a staff
to take care of things. You are very lucky to be
practicing rather than doing something else.
Even though you had to spend money for room and board and
transportation, it's just a little bit. But the
benefit is great. For example, you might spend two or
three dollars to buy a box of laundry soap, right? From
that one box you can wash a lot of clothes. You get a lot
for your money. Same thing: you spend a little money to
come here and buy some dhamma soap to clean your mind.
[Laughter.] You will be happy from having cleaned your
mind, all right? The benefit will continue for your whole
life and even into next. Even though you've only spent
a little bit to come here, the benefit will last beyond
this life, even until you reach nibbana. You are adding
paramita, adding background at this retreat, and the
benefit will continue into the future.
Meditator 2: Is there always water going into the glass?
Bhikkhu Sopako: Oh, sure. But just be careful about the
dirty water.
Meditator 2: Is it always the same amount?
Bhikkhu Sopako: Yes. Because everything in the world
should balance. In everyday life either greed, hatred or
delusion always arises whenever you see, hear, smell,
taste, touch, think, stand, walk, and so on. When you like
something, desire arises. When you don't like
something, hatred arises. [Although liking and disliking
are milder states than greed and hatred, the latter two
are the mental factors from which liking and disliking
spring. Greed and hatred are always present in the
unenlightened mind, lying dormant until triggered by an
appropriate object.] When you feel so-so, when you look at
a wall, for example, and feel neither liking nor
disliking, delusion arises. Delusion arises because you
don't know what you are seeing [i.e., you don't
perceive the object in ultimate terms, as merely nama or
rupa. You still perceive it as a named, conventional
thing.] You don't know that the color or image is
rupa, and that seeing is nama [the act of seeing is
carried out by nama]. Whenever you don't know rupa and
nama you have delusion or ignorance. When you are sitting,
you don't know that sitting is rupa, and that the
agent that knows sitting is nama. You just think,
"I'm sitting here." That's delusion.
[It's delusion because one has the wrong view that
it's a self or an "I" that is sitting.]
If you feel, "I like this chair," that means
that desire has arisen. Or if you think, "I don't
like this chair. I don't want to sit here," that
means that hatred has arisen. You are never without one of
these three defilements. If the object is good, desire
arises; if the object is bad, hatred arises; if the object
is neutral, delusion arises, twenty-four hours a day.
When you're asleep delusion is always present, not
mindfulness. As soon as you wake up, if you hear something
good, desire arises; if you hear something bad, hatred
arises; if you hear something so-so, delusion arises. But
from the time of your birth until now, how often have you
had a chance to practice mindfulness? This retreat is only
five days long. You will only have mindfulness for five
days, compared to the many years of having defilements all
day long. That's why you have to keep going and set up
mindfulness, concentration and wisdom to balance the
defilements first. When you balance them [i.e., when
mindfulness is as strong as greed, hatred and delusion]
then you can add more.
Mindfulness will go up after that. [First you develop
mindfulness until it's equal to the three defilements;
after that, when it becomes stronger than greed, hatred
and delusion, you'll be able to eliminate those
factors.]
Take the same example again. Say that I have Coca-Cola in
this glass. I take a sip; it tastes strong and sweet, so I
add more and more pure water to the glass. When it is
balanced, when it is half Coke and half water, I taste it
again. Everything is less; the sweet taste is not as
strong, even though it is still there. But when I keep
adding water, until there is more water than Coke, I
cannot taste the Coke anymore. It tastes almost like pure
water. The color is clear, too. The question is, where has
the Coke gone? Where can it go to? It is still there; but
when you have more water in proportion, you cannot taste
or see the Coke anymore.
It's the same thing: when we add mindfulness,
awareness, wisdom, and concentration to the mind more and
more, until we have more of these factors than greed,
hatred and delusion, the mind becomes clear. But right now
the pure water and the Coke are not balanced, which makes
it very hard to continue. [Now there is still more Coke
than water.] But when you keep practicing until they are
balanced you will feel, "Oh, now it is easy to
practice meditation. Now I feel relaxed and I can keep
going for a long time."
After they are balanced you can continue to add more and
more water, diluting the defilements even more. Right now
the defilements are high and mindfulness is low. You need
to develop mindfulness until it is balanced with the
defilements first; after that it can fight with them and
win. If you continue practicing after they are balanced,
then mindfulness will go up higher than the defilements.
Mindfulness will get higher and higher, the defilements,
lower and lower.
That's the nature of the truth; that is what Lord
Buddha taught. It is not something special; it's just
the truth. That truth is always in the world. But it
doesn't mean that you should expect to get something
special or become happy from meditating. No. [I.e., you
should not take up vipassana expecting to have exciting or
blissful experiences. But a superior kind of happiness
will arise from giving up attachments.] Meditation is just
for balancing the unwholesome and wholesome factors in
your mind. You have to think about which one is higher.
What do you want to ask?
Meditator 3: Well, I think I've worked it out. My
question was, what is the difference between neutral and
equanimity and balance.
Bhikkhu Sopako: What is the difference, right? The object
is different. The object of neutrality is ordinary truth.
The object of equanimity, in insight meditation, is
ultimate truth.
When we feel neutral toward something [such as a wall], we
are perceiving a conventional truth object. When
equanimity arises from tranquility practice [concentration
meditation], the object is also an ordinary truth object.
But in that case the mind stays on a single object.
But the equanimity in insight meditation is different; in
that case we have an ultimate truth object, and there is
no attachment to it. Because we can see the momentary
nature of phenomena, because we can see that all namas and
rupas arise and pass away equally, we realize that they
are all impermanent, or unsatisfactory, or lacking in
self, and because of that we feel equanimity toward them.
So neutrality and equanimity differ in that they have
different objects.
For example, when you concentrate on the Buddha statue and
close the eyes and repeat the word "Buddho, Buddho,
Buddho," over and over, you develop more and more
concentration with the object. Tranquility becomes deeper
and deeper until you enter a trance, from the first jhana
to the fifth jhana. [Bhikkhu Sopako is referring to the
meditation practice of repeating the Buddha's name.
The meditation object in this and other concentration
techniques is an object of conventional reality. The
"jhanas" refer to various levels of trance
induced by strong concentration.] On the other hand, you
could look at the Buddha statue without attaching to its
conventional meaning, and without holding the wrong view
that it is a self or a material eye that sees. You could
just observe, "seeing, seeing, seeing," [the act
of seeing], and understand the truth that the thing you
are looking at is just color. Color is rupa. There is just
nama seeing rupa. There is nothing going on except nama
seeing rupa. There is no me or you; there is no Buddha
statue.
So give up the name of the object, give up ordinary truth.
Then you just have ultimate truth. Then you can answer the
question, "What is seeing?" or, "What is it
that sees?" Then you understand that there is just
color and [the act of] knowing color. When you continue
observing "seeing, seeing, seeing" in the
present moment, every moment, until you can see one moment
arise and pass away, until you can see impermanence,
unsatisfactoriness and non-self, then you can eliminate
attachment, attachment to [the wrong view of] permanence;
or you can dilute liking and disliking for the object more
and more until you have correct understanding of the
truth. That's the meaning of "insight."
At first we label objects [with mental notes] in order to
develop momentary concentration. It is concentration, but
not really tranquility. [I.e., this is "concentration
in insight," concentration mixed with mindfulness, as
opposed to the pure concentration of the trance-states.]
At first you try to make your concentration strong enough
to perceive objects in a moment-to-moment fashion, one by
one; but after that you give up the label. You just do it.
You just let mindfulness focus in the present. That's
correct vipassana, all right?
Meditator 4: I have a question. When you say,
"Seeing, seeing, seeing," isn't that being
neutral? And if it is, how is that delusion? I thought
that was. . . if you are being neutral you're not
attached to it, you don't love it and you don't
hate it, it's just there. So I don't understand
how you said, "If you're neutral that's
delusion." I'm confused here.
Bhikkhu Sopako: If you see [if you think you are seeing] a
Buddha statue, that's neutrality; that's ordinary
truth. When you don't know about ultimate truth, when
you do not realize that it is impossible to see a Buddha
statue, that's delusion. Even if you are aware of,
"seeing, seeing," when you don't know that
we can only see color, and that it is not actually the
physical eye that sees, but consciousness; when you do not
know that consciousness only sees color, not a Buddha
statue, that means that you have delusion. If you cannot
separate ordinary truth from ultimate truth, and focus on
ultimate truth only, you will have delusion. So the
correct path is to ignore the name of the thing you are
seeing or hearing [or smelling, tasting, knowing, and so
forth] and focus only on ultimate truth. But if you just
keep observing ordinary truth, delusion will be present.
The practice of tranquility meditation uses ordinary or
conventional truth objects. It is for developing
concentration, not wisdom. Sometimes a name is used to
develop concentration, as in mantra practice. [A mantra is
a special word or phrase that is repeated, like the word
"Buddho."] You memorize it and say it again and
again. Even the practice of focusing on the hair, skin,
nails and so on makes concentration arise, too. [Bhikkhu
Sopako is referring to the practice of meditating on the
"thirty-two parts" of the body. The body-parts
are conventional-, not ultimate-truth objects, so they are
suited for developing concentration, not insight.]
Anything else?
Meditator 4: Thank you. I'm still deluded but I
understand better now.
Meditator 3: If we are so non-mindful so much of the time,
how do we ever get the glass filled up with pure water?
Bhikkhu Sopako: Oh, that's a good question too. If you
understand precisely what is correct, if you can follow
the correct path, it is easy to fill up the glass; maybe
you can do it in just one day or one hour. But usually
meditators do not understand in a precise way; not having
right understanding, they cannot follow the right path.
That means that they go quite slowly. They have farther to
go [because they can't find the direct route]. It
takes them longer because they still have doubt in their
minds.
Or they practice with desire; they want to get something
in return, want to have something. That's why it's
very hard to add drops. Even when they add a drop, it
isn't pure water. That's why I always try to make
sure that you understand correctly, that you have enough
right understanding for me to give instructions so that
you can keep going. If you do not have correct
understanding, then, even if I give instructions, you will
not be successful. You'll only get concentration.
Everybody feels calm or happy at times during sitting
meditation. But you are satisfied with this. You are happy
when you get a little bit only. But that has no benefit at
all. [Meditators aim too low; they are satisfied with the
calmness of concentration, not true insight. But that
mundane peace is temporary and doesn't advance one
toward nibbana, permanent freedom from suffering.]
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